Showing posts with label Process and Instrumentation Diagrams-PIDs.. Show all posts
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Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Process and Instrumentation Diagrams (PIDs)


Yes, again.

Just some added light. The above is a snip of one of my drawings using our new methods. We are in the process of trying to sort all our ones up to a reasonable standard, so I have had a talked with a man from Denmark I work with, and he has come up with some good ideas:

1. Tag numbers should have the form of AV007, or PM126, which would stand for Actuated Valve and Pump Motor respectively. The reason for the XX000 format is this allows for up to 100 items in the one area.

2. The temptation is to make PIDs based on an area, but it is better to make them on a process basis. This means a drawing could have a tank in one building with a pipe leading to another.
These processes would have an overall name, and number, which would be the drawing number.
So for instance you might have a drawing/file number like "PID-014-Carbonitation.dwg".
Therefore a tag in that drawing might be AV007, but it's true unique tag would be 014-AV007.

3. The idea is to keep the drawings as clutter free as possible, and to this end, arrows are not permitted, except if you are desperate! Also on the no-go list are temperatures, flow rates, motor kWs and other fluff. That fluff can go on the Flow Diagram or if need be a separate layout.

My ideas on the drafting are:

1. All text to be 1.5mm high. For mechanical drawings I use 2mm. Just need to squeeze that extra bit on!

2. All ordinary items (eg lines) to be on the med layer. I use the name med as short for medium line weight. I normally have this as set to yellow, but maybe if things needed to be printed in colour, then it might not be so clever. I have a colour ctb that prints yellow as black.

3. All viewports to be of scale 1:1.

4. All tag numbers to have their own layer, these layer sets are available in the template drawing and as a lisp routine to create the layer set. The reason for this is to be able to isolate the numbers so you can check them quickly to see if you have duplicated any.

5. Most of the symbols are to Iso standard 10628, in other words, a world standard.

6. The Tags to have their own block, which consists of the attribute only, no lines.

7. Instrument tags have their own circle and so on with two tags, as a dynamic block allowing the same block to be used in all 4 orientations. Handy when you want to extract data!

8. All items to be in model space. This allows for more than one layout, say for instance if you need one showing flow rates. The flow rates would end up in paper space.

I know people that use a grid to do PIDs, and I have tried this but found the whole process of turning snaps on and off all the time irritating.

My web page bilrocad.com was due to die about February 2012, but Blue Host, the provider, stayed the execution for another year, so I am going to try and make it a little more easy on the eye, as it looks very rough at the moment.

All this between getting another blog going for a Flying Boat (see the new link on the right)-
I have had a struggle getting the book reading bit going, but it is up and running now-see "A Noble Chance" on Friends of the Solent Flying Boat.

Monday, April 26, 2010

Process and Instrumentation Diagrams-P & IDs.

You can have too much of these. I've been doing a few in the last week or so, and I'm just about all PIDed out. Where I'm working they don't have a standard, so we went with a bunch of symbols that the engineer liked the look of on a previous job. He did not particularly like the ones that I have posted on my site at http://bilrocad.com

There seems to be all sorts of ways of doing a valve unsurprisingly: the ones on my site have little bits of line on the ends of the valves, and they have actuators built in. On his ones, the actuators come as a separate block. Some of them have invisible attributes, some don't.

They are also plainly "old autocad" in that there are no dynamic blocks at all. I have not been a fan of dynamic blocks for normal drafting, but I think they might be the best for PIDs.
If I get enthusiatic enough, I hope to post a set that could do pids.

It looks like a fertile field for lots of lisp macros. On that springs immediately to mind is a routine where you specify 2 points and a line is drawn between the two with maybe a continuation tag at one end and a valve in the line, already inserted.

You can pay for such things, but it seems most people don't, preferring to slog it out with plain Autocad.

There are all sorts of ways of doing pids- I like the tanks drawn in a heavy line-the engineer likes them in grey or very light so that the lines are the emphasis.

Anyone interested in a CAD standard? I have a very lightweight one that just covers the basics.
Maybe next post......